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		<title>Comment on Movies &amp; innovation &#8211; and _Diamond Age_ racting by Jinnayah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jinnayah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sweet ... and then &lt;i&gt;the day after&lt;/i&gt; I post this, I hear about possibly the coolest thing I&#039;ve heard in years: we&#039;re actually approaching it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21570671-archives-could-last-thousands-years-when-stored-dna-instead-magnetic&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;being feasible&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature11875&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;store information in DNA&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet &#8230; and then <i>the day after</i> I post this, I hear about possibly the coolest thing I&#8217;ve heard in years: we&#8217;re actually approaching it <a href="http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21570671-archives-could-last-thousands-years-when-stored-dna-instead-magnetic" rel="nofollow">being feasible</a> to <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature11875" rel="nofollow">store information in DNA</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Movies &amp; innovation &#8211; and _Diamond Age_ racting by Bryn Neuenschwander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryn Neuenschwander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was talking to someone about the Final Fantasy eye clip just recently. I remember being blown away by it at the time, yeah; now, of course, it looks pretty obviously fake. (Ditto the dinosaurs in &lt;i&gt;Jurassic Park&lt;/i&gt;.) When Gollum appeared for the first time in &lt;i&gt;The Two Towers&lt;/i&gt;, I was a bit disappointed, because his skin didn&#039;t look as real as I&#039;d been led to expect -- but within five minutes, the &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; advance had shown itself, because I completely forgot to think about him as a CGI character. The movement and facial expressions were so real, they made the skin all but irrelevant. And then there&#039;s the E3 trailer for &lt;i&gt;Assassin&#039;s Creed: Revelations&lt;/i&gt;, which, if you showed it to somebody from back in the &lt;i&gt;Spirits Within&lt;/i&gt; days, they would probably believe it&#039;s live-action.

But I&#039;m not sure that divorcing an actor&#039;s face from their performance is going to become a common thing any time soon, simply because of cost. That stuff is &lt;i&gt;expensive&lt;/i&gt;; I think we&#039;re a long way from the day when it&#039;s going to be worth the cost, without extenuating circumstances (e.g. playing a non-human like Gollum, aging a character substantially as in &lt;i&gt;Beowulf&lt;/i&gt;). Cheaper to just hire somebody who looks right in the first place.

As for what I look forward to most, it&#039;s already here, but not in the U.S.: toric ICLs, which can be used to permanently correct vision that&#039;s too bad for lasik. Normal ICLs are approved, but I need the toric version (for astigmatism), and the FDA hasn&#039;t given them the thumbs-up yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was talking to someone about the Final Fantasy eye clip just recently. I remember being blown away by it at the time, yeah; now, of course, it looks pretty obviously fake. (Ditto the dinosaurs in <i>Jurassic Park</i>.) When Gollum appeared for the first time in <i>The Two Towers</i>, I was a bit disappointed, because his skin didn&#8217;t look as real as I&#8217;d been led to expect &#8212; but within five minutes, the <i>real</i> advance had shown itself, because I completely forgot to think about him as a CGI character. The movement and facial expressions were so real, they made the skin all but irrelevant. And then there&#8217;s the E3 trailer for <i>Assassin&#8217;s Creed: Revelations</i>, which, if you showed it to somebody from back in the <i>Spirits Within</i> days, they would probably believe it&#8217;s live-action.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m not sure that divorcing an actor&#8217;s face from their performance is going to become a common thing any time soon, simply because of cost. That stuff is <i>expensive</i>; I think we&#8217;re a long way from the day when it&#8217;s going to be worth the cost, without extenuating circumstances (e.g. playing a non-human like Gollum, aging a character substantially as in <i>Beowulf</i>). Cheaper to just hire somebody who looks right in the first place.</p>
<p>As for what I look forward to most, it&#8217;s already here, but not in the U.S.: toric ICLs, which can be used to permanently correct vision that&#8217;s too bad for lasik. Normal ICLs are approved, but I need the toric version (for astigmatism), and the FDA hasn&#8217;t given them the thumbs-up yet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Merits, representatives, and access by HRSFANS.org &#187; Movies &#38; innovation &#8211; and _Diamond Age_ racting</title>
		<link>http://hrsfans.org/merits-representatives-and-access/comment-page-1/#comment-32406</link>
		<dc:creator>HRSFANS.org &#187; Movies &#38; innovation &#8211; and _Diamond Age_ racting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 01:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] imaginations &#8212; or just never take a step in that direction at all. As I&#8217;ve written before, I live in dread of the genetic-discrimination world of Gattaca, which I now fear may be [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] imaginations &#8212; or just never take a step in that direction at all. As I&#8217;ve written before, I live in dread of the genetic-discrimination world of Gattaca, which I now fear may be [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on HRSFAlum Academia hits Pop Culture by Jinnayah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jinnayah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That makes so much sense! Thanks for clearing up. I expected that a fair amount of the confusion was garbling in the translation from, say, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=1q_0Ge3Z4iEC&amp;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Handbook of perceptual dialectology&lt;/a&gt;&quot; and &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.press.umich.edu/titleDetailDesc.do?id=3112876&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Contours of English and English language studies&lt;/a&gt;&quot; to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Slate&lt;/a&gt;, and so it seems.

And, yes, I can acknowledge that Michiganians (Lower Peninsula, specifically) tend to define our speech as &quot;non-accented.&quot; I may be &lt;i&gt;slightly&lt;/i&gt; more aware than average, but that&#039;s just because I spent some formative time out of the country and got the &quot;Midwestern &#039;a&#039;&quot; wiped, but then it came back with a vengeance during high school.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That makes so much sense! Thanks for clearing up. I expected that a fair amount of the confusion was garbling in the translation from, say, &#8220;<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=1q_0Ge3Z4iEC&amp;" rel="nofollow">Handbook of perceptual dialectology</a>&#8221; and &#8220;<a href="http://www.press.umich.edu/titleDetailDesc.do?id=3112876" rel="nofollow">Contours of English and English language studies</a>&#8221; to <a href="http://www.slate.com/" rel="nofollow">Slate</a>, and so it seems.</p>
<p>And, yes, I can acknowledge that Michiganians (Lower Peninsula, specifically) tend to define our speech as &#8220;non-accented.&#8221; I may be <i>slightly</i> more aware than average, but that&#8217;s just because I spent some formative time out of the country and got the &#8220;Midwestern &#8216;a&#8217;&#8221; wiped, but then it came back with a vengeance during high school.</p>
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		<title>Comment on HRSFAlum Academia hits Pop Culture by AJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 01:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Labov was really using &quot;problem&quot; in a highly bleached metaphorical sense there—all he means by &quot;it wouldn&#039;t be a problem&quot; is &#039;it wouldn&#039;t have led to a major difference between the Inland North and other dialect regions. I&#039;d just call this a poor choice of words on his behalf here.

The Preston study is described confusingly. First of all, &quot;cat&quot; and &quot;cot&quot; aren&#039;t homophones in anyone&#039;s pronunciation of English, anywhere. (I feel almost comfortable stating that totally categorically.) The deal with the NCS is that merely that NCS speakers pronounce &quot;cot&quot; in a way that&#039;s more like the non-NCS &quot;cat&quot; than non-NCS speakers do (and maybe more like the non-NCS &quot;cat&quot; than like the non-NCS &quot;cot&quot;). However, the NCS &quot;cat&quot; has already moved out of the way and is less similar to the non-NCS &quot;cat&quot;.

If I recall correctly the way the Preston study worked, what happened was that NCS listeners, hearing an NCS speaker pronounce an NCS &quot;cot&quot;, which should have been easy for them to understand since it was a speaker of their own dialect, still some of the time interpreted it as &quot;cat&quot; because the NCS &quot;cot&quot; is similar to the non-NCS &quot;cot&quot;—i.e., NCS listeners sometimes interpret local speakers as if they *expected* them not to have the NCS.

The Niedzelski study is the flip side of the same situation: having heard a speaker they were told was from Michigan, saying a word they were told was &quot;bag&quot;, the NCS listeners described the pronunciation after the fact as not having sounded like the NCS &quot;bag&quot;, even though it did—again, because the NCS listeners expect local speakers to *not* have a marked accent.

And the general point that Inland North Speakers generally are unaware (unlike Boston, New York, and Southern speakers) that they have a distinctive accent is certainly true. (You yourself are a case in point, I think!) Another well-known study by Preston asked respondents from a couple different geographical areas to rate each of the 50 states for speech correctness/standardness—and respondents from Michigan consistently rated themselves as the highest-ranked state for correctness (which is not something respondents from, say, Alabama did).

Cf. also my Minnesota Public Radio interview:

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2012/08/29/daily-circuit-great-lakes-dialect/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labov was really using &#8220;problem&#8221; in a highly bleached metaphorical sense there—all he means by &#8220;it wouldn&#8217;t be a problem&#8221; is &#8216;it wouldn&#8217;t have led to a major difference between the Inland North and other dialect regions. I&#8217;d just call this a poor choice of words on his behalf here.</p>
<p>The Preston study is described confusingly. First of all, &#8220;cat&#8221; and &#8220;cot&#8221; aren&#8217;t homophones in anyone&#8217;s pronunciation of English, anywhere. (I feel almost comfortable stating that totally categorically.) The deal with the NCS is that merely that NCS speakers pronounce &#8220;cot&#8221; in a way that&#8217;s more like the non-NCS &#8220;cat&#8221; than non-NCS speakers do (and maybe more like the non-NCS &#8220;cat&#8221; than like the non-NCS &#8220;cot&#8221;). However, the NCS &#8220;cat&#8221; has already moved out of the way and is less similar to the non-NCS &#8220;cat&#8221;.</p>
<p>If I recall correctly the way the Preston study worked, what happened was that NCS listeners, hearing an NCS speaker pronounce an NCS &#8220;cot&#8221;, which should have been easy for them to understand since it was a speaker of their own dialect, still some of the time interpreted it as &#8220;cat&#8221; because the NCS &#8220;cot&#8221; is similar to the non-NCS &#8220;cot&#8221;—i.e., NCS listeners sometimes interpret local speakers as if they *expected* them not to have the NCS.</p>
<p>The Niedzelski study is the flip side of the same situation: having heard a speaker they were told was from Michigan, saying a word they were told was &#8220;bag&#8221;, the NCS listeners described the pronunciation after the fact as not having sounded like the NCS &#8220;bag&#8221;, even though it did—again, because the NCS listeners expect local speakers to *not* have a marked accent.</p>
<p>And the general point that Inland North Speakers generally are unaware (unlike Boston, New York, and Southern speakers) that they have a distinctive accent is certainly true. (You yourself are a case in point, I think!) Another well-known study by Preston asked respondents from a couple different geographical areas to rate each of the 50 states for speech correctness/standardness—and respondents from Michigan consistently rated themselves as the highest-ranked state for correctness (which is not something respondents from, say, Alabama did).</p>
<p>Cf. also my Minnesota Public Radio interview:</p>
<p><a href="http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2012/08/29/daily-circuit-great-lakes-dialect/" rel="nofollow">http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2012/08/29/daily-circuit-great-lakes-dialect/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Non-fiction for pleasure by HRSFANS.org &#187; My errors</title>
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		<dc:creator>HRSFANS.org &#187; My errors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] owe Elisabeth a massive apology for some poorly considered writing of mine last [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome new board members! by (sorry)</title>
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		<dc:creator>(sorry)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Storied,&quot; hurr.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Storied,&#8221; hurr.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome new board members! by Tony V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2012 02:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hip hip hooray!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hip hip hooray!<br />
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		<dc:creator>HRSFANS.org &#187; Non-fiction for pleasure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Marshall Perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m hoping to get back to Burning Man this year (and in fact have successfully scored tickets through the online lottery) but I have to admit I&#039;m a little daunted by the logistics of attending from the East Coast, now that I&#039;m no longer just an easy California drive away...  Clearly it&#039;s an insane challenge - but the good kind of insane. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m hoping to get back to Burning Man this year (and in fact have successfully scored tickets through the online lottery) but I have to admit I&#8217;m a little daunted by the logistics of attending from the East Coast, now that I&#8217;m no longer just an easy California drive away&#8230;  Clearly it&#8217;s an insane challenge &#8211; but the good kind of insane. <img src='http://hrsfans.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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